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Post by yolande on Apr 14, 2013 17:52:24 GMT
Thanks for sharing. Great pics :-)
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Post by Concept Devices on Apr 14, 2013 18:09:25 GMT
You have an excuse not to be there Yolande, with the distance and cost involved, but there are lots of people from over here that haven't, the audience numbers are dwindling, I counted about 20 last night, talking to DB before the concert he told me that costs for the school were rising and this may well be the last year that it can be used, which is very sad news. Martyn, Indeed it would be very sad news if Awakenings did not continue and hopefully there is support here and elsewhere financially and in person for it to continue. Lots of people make significant efforts in organisation and participation and that is celebrated here and rightly so. Even so, I'm not convinced that it is helpful or productive to pass judgement about the decisions others make and the validity or otherwise of their 'excuses' for not being there. James, i'm not sure where you want to go with this but lets just see how many are in the audience next week! Then we can get a little bit more of a picture as to if its the venue or the bands that keep people away. Personally I think its a cross between Idle domesticty and credibilty and I am not trying to pass judgement on peoples excuses or the validity of those excuses. I could have quite easily missed last night as I am currently living in a front room thats like a bomb site due to a revamp of everything in there, and yesterday evening/night could have been used very productively on this re decorating project, its not about making excuses not to support the venue its about making a reason to be able to go. Those that choose not to go, do so for their own reasons, I just hope that those reasons also include the fact that they dont ever want to play or go to that particular venue every again or that, if they are muso's themselves, that they dont expect support in the way of people purchasing their next CDr release or encouraging comments on tunes and vids that they post up on the net becuase in my opinion thats a very selfish and egotistical attidude. Personnally I dont give a shyte what people think of me or the free music that I post, and I too have a selfish reason for supporting Awakenings, that is that I want the opportunity to play live again and that venue is probably the only place I would ever get the chance to. On a final note, I am trying to find the reason to be able to go next week, if i'm there I have found that reason, if i'm not there I haven't. At the moment the main reason I have to go, is that I want to continue being a part of the UK live EM scene and to support a long standing and well established EM group. The main reason I wont be there would be that the cost and time involved may not be available due to my current home situation.
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Post by Concept Devices on Apr 14, 2013 18:12:30 GMT
:)Good pics Xan, thanks for sharing
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Post by phobos on Apr 14, 2013 18:36:30 GMT
A great nights entertainment with 3 excellent sets, i was transfixed by the Headshock movie, couldn't take my eyes off it, weird stuff. Paul Harriman was a revelation, an amazing piece of kit that Eigenharp. Nice to see people again. It will be sad if Awakenings doesn't happen after this year, in the end everything comes down to cost and everywhere has to make savings. Maybe a compromise could be sought, maybe just an Awakenings all dayer once a year might be an answer, that way the school would save money, more people might come in person as its once a year, and Awakenings would live on albeit in a reduced format. To reiterate, it was a great night, well done to everyone involved.
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Post by paullovesmusic on Apr 14, 2013 19:05:29 GMT
Maureen and I would love to be there but health problems are an issue with us. We have also just had to put £2000.00 on the card to pay for Maureen's sister to have spinal surgery in Bulgaria. Could the likes of SMD or CDS do mailout's if it only increases VT sales it must be worth a try.
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Post by Concept Devices on Apr 14, 2013 19:30:05 GMT
I was looking forward to last night and it didnt dissappoint, Paul Harriman did a great job with his Eigenharp and EWI and it was fascinating to watch and hear the sounds that those two instruments created, nice to meet him at last and chat after his performance. It was also great to see everyone again, nice chatting to David T, Brendan, Deryn and Paul Darlow, he's a very knowledgable guy, also nice to see Neil Fellows there. Peter played a more live feel set than he has in the past choosing to not have so much embelishment behind his playing offering a few nice bits throughout the set. Headshock were brilliant, both film and music working together in perfect harmony, at times it sounded like there was a CD playing such was the slickness of these two guys, even when the feel dropped to almost nothing, there was still loads going on, lots of talent and very clever what they did, I did however, travel home feeling quite sad at the possiblity that this may end after the alldayer.
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Post by jimmydee on Apr 14, 2013 19:31:01 GMT
Martyn, Indeed it would be very sad news if Awakenings did not continue and hopefully there is support here and elsewhere financially and in person for it to continue. Lots of people make significant efforts in organisation and participation and that is celebrated here and rightly so. Even so, I'm not convinced that it is helpful or productive to pass judgement about the decisions others make and the validity or otherwise of their 'excuses' for not being there. James, i'm not sure where you want to go with this but lets just see how many are in the audience next week! Then we can get a little bit more of a picture as to if its the venue or the bands that keep people away. Personally I think its a cross between Idle domesticty and credibilty and I am not trying to pass judgement on peoples excuses or the validity of those excuses. I could have quite easily missed last night as I am currently living in a front room thats like a bomb site due to a revamp of everything in there, and yesterday evening/night could have been used very productively on this re decorating project, its not about making excuses not to support the venue its about making a reason to be able to go. Those that choose not to go, do so for their own reasons, I just hope that those reasons also include the fact that they dont ever want to play or go to that particular venue every again or that, if they are muso's themselves, that they dont expect support in the way of people purchasing their next CDr release or encouraging comments on tunes and vids that they post up on the net becuase in my opinion thats a very selfish and egotistical attidude. Personnally I dont give a shyte what people think of me or the free music that I post, and I too have a selfish reason for supporting Awakenings, that is that I want the opportunity to play live again and that venue is probably the only place I would ever get the chance to. On a final note, I am trying to find the reason to be able to go next week, if i'm there I have found that reason, if i'm not there I haven't. At the moment the main reason I have to go, is that I want to continue being a part of the UK live EM scene and to support a long standing and well established EM group. The main reason I wont be there would be that the cost and time involved may not be available due to my current home situation. Martyn, I've no desire to go anywhere (and yes I am fully aware of the deep irony in that statement) with this. I just felt that there is a danger is applying your own rationale/judgements to others without appreciating their circumstances. I think it is perfectly possible for people not to attend Awakenings without necessarily disagreeing with some of the points you make. Some members of this forum have felt happy in explaining their reasons, others may not and making what to me seem like or could be interpreted as judgemental and critical comments about their choices seems unhelpful to me. Particularly on the public part of the forum I want awakenings to continue as well as the artists associated with it and this forum to do well and find a wider audience. I hope that will happen and will try and contribute as and how I can and wish to do so.
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Post by Concept Devices on Apr 14, 2013 20:38:19 GMT
James, i'm not sure where you want to go with this but lets just see how many are in the audience next week! Then we can get a little bit more of a picture as to if its the venue or the bands that keep people away. Personally I think its a cross between Idle domesticty and credibilty and I am not trying to pass judgement on peoples excuses or the validity of those excuses. I could have quite easily missed last night as I am currently living in a front room thats like a bomb site due to a revamp of everything in there, and yesterday evening/night could have been used very productively on this re decorating project, its not about making excuses not to support the venue its about making a reason to be able to go. Those that choose not to go, do so for their own reasons, I just hope that those reasons also include the fact that they dont ever want to play or go to that particular venue every again or that, if they are muso's themselves, that they dont expect support in the way of people purchasing their next CDr release or encouraging comments on tunes and vids that they post up on the net becuase in my opinion thats a very selfish and egotistical attidude. Personnally I dont give a shyte what people think of me or the free music that I post, and I too have a selfish reason for supporting Awakenings, that is that I want the opportunity to play live again and that venue is probably the only place I would ever get the chance to. On a final note, I am trying to find the reason to be able to go next week, if i'm there I have found that reason, if i'm not there I haven't. At the moment the main reason I have to go, is that I want to continue being a part of the UK live EM scene and to support a long standing and well established EM group. The main reason I wont be there would be that the cost and time involved may not be available due to my current home situation. Martyn, I've no desire to go anywhere (and yes I am fully aware of the deep irony in that statement) with this. I just felt that there is a danger is applying your own rationale/judgements to others without appreciating their circumstances. I think it is perfectly possible for people not to attend Awakenings without necessarily disagreeing with some of the points you make. Some members of this forum have felt happy in explaining their reasons, others may not and making what to me seem like or could be interpreted as judgemental and critical comments about their choices seems unhelpful to me. Particularly on the public part of the forum I want awakenings to continue as well as the artists associated with it and this forum to do well and find a wider audience. I hope that will happen and will try and contribute as and how I can and wish to do so. I'm happy with that James :-) :-)
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Post by create on Apr 14, 2013 21:12:37 GMT
Martyn i wonder if you would still be at every Awakenings if you lived a 90 min drive away? Fortunately you live very close to the venue which makes it an easier journey to make. It is sad that numbers have dropped and 20 is a poor turnout. Luckily the VT is available to help boost the revenue. My reasons for not attending are given earlier in the thread. I did remember to buy the VT so that shows support! Next week I will be at RMI which for me is only a 20 min drive away from my house which obviously makes things easier for me especially with two young children. I think it really is sad when people won't buy another artists album or comment on a video or track because they have a bee in their bonnet about them not been at Awakenings. If everyone felt like that then Jez may as well close the forum.
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Post by Concept Devices on Apr 14, 2013 22:05:47 GMT
Martyn i wonder if you would still be at every Awakenings if you lived a 90 min drive away? Fortunately you live very close to the venue which makes it an easier journey to make. It is sad that numbers have dropped and 20 is a poor turnout. Luckily the VT is available to help boost the revenue. My reasons for not attending are given earlier in the thread. I did remember to buy the VT so that shows support! Next week I will be at RMI which for me is only a 20 min drive away from my house which obviously makes things easier for me especially with two young children. I think it really is sad when people won't buy another artists album or comment on a video or track because they have a bee in their bonnet about them not been at Awakenings. If everyone felt like that then Jez may as well close the forum. I agree Steve, it is very easy for me to get there, which makes me very lucky in some ways, quick journey and cheap on fuel so I can attend every time they are one. It also however, gives me the an almost impartial position to the Artists that are appearing as they dont know if I am there to watch them or not. I would try and make as many attendances to another "regular" night as I could, if it was a 90 minute drive away. You have obviously picked up on some of my comments as you have posted a number of responses and to be honest I dont think this public thread is suitable to carry on with this anymore, just to say I am very dissappointed that this night is going to end and yes I have a bee in my bonnet Steve.
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Post by create on Apr 14, 2013 22:14:40 GMT
I don't have the answer as to why there were only 20 attending last night. One thing for sure though is our kind of EM isn't attracting a new audience to support the existing one. JB days were the same as a regular you felt part of a club with the same people there for each gig.
Ron Boots was nearly cancelling E Day due to poor ticket sales. A steady boost of sales managed to keep that one going ahead.
The interest for whatever reason just doesn't seem to be there anymore.
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Post by Concept Devices on Apr 14, 2013 22:31:24 GMT
Those 200 attending EDay, ELive, Bochum etc want it to continue so that they can go again next year plain and simple, if they didnt support it this year there wouldn't have been a next year, not rocket science in my book. I would be very interested to find out what percentage of that 200 were musos with a desire to maybe want the opportunity to play there at future events.
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Post by Concept Devices on Apr 14, 2013 23:00:31 GMT
Like Jez commented, its not actually the amount who attend that is going to kill it, sad though that is, its the fact that it is going to be costing more to put the night on, so in my opinion it should have the admission/VT price doubled to try and keep it going.
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Post by pjtmusic on Apr 15, 2013 18:28:22 GMT
..............Peter played a more live feel set than he has in the past choosing to not have so much embelishment behind his playing offering a few nice bits throughout the set............. . New (to me) sequencer software that works like a hardware one so I could change them on the fly. www.dreamvortex.co.uk/instruments/
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Post by pjtmusic on Apr 15, 2013 18:29:10 GMT
If I'm not working I like to attend but unfortunately retail tends to be a weekend working job.
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